Universities

Lord Willetts Excerpts

Thursday 14th November 2024 Lords Chamber

[Lord Willetts (Con)]

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Warwick, on bringing this debate to the House. I declare my interests as a visiting professor at King’s College London and a member of the council of the University of Southampton. I was also one of the commissioners who served on the UUK exercise. The chapter on which I was most heavily engaged concerned international students. It is excellent that the Government are now preparing, and have committed to produce, an international strategy for higher education—of course, my noble friend Lord Johnson was himself responsible for an excellent one in the past—and I hope that the Minister will be able to tell us what timescale that is on. I shall put two specific points to her about that strategy.

The first point concerns visas. The Minister is a former Home Secretary, and if I pressed her on the cost of visas, I know exactly what her answer would be, so I will not press her on the cost but on another problem with visas: the speed of getting them. There is an internationally competitive market whereby some overseas students apply for a range of different universities around the world, and for several visas, and they are waiting to see whether they get their US visa, their Canadian visa or their British visa. If the British visa process is the slowest, they have already committed to going to Canada before we have even had an opportunity of getting them here. I hope the Minister will undertake to pursue the speed of visa issuing with the Home Office.

Secondly, I ask the Minister to raise the issue of international students with the Department for Business and Trade. There is enormous opportunity here for trade negotiations, whereby we make a commitment that we will extend access to our student loans for British students going to study abroad. The moment that the conversation with another country is about exchange and reciprocity, about saying, “We want more of your students to come here but it would be great if some British students could come to you, and we will provide them with a loan to do so”, we can make much more progress on growing international student numbers.

I very much agree with what my noble friend Lord Johnson said about fees; I strongly endorse his point. It was treated as though it were a heroically difficult decision. I asked the Library about the history. The Blair Government considered £5,000 fees; we ended up with £3,000 fees, but it was well known at the time that the Prime Minister himself and some of his advisers wanted £5,000 fees. They introduced £3,000 fees, which they indexed for several years with no fuss whatever—they just got on with indexing them. If they had done £5,000 fees and simply indexed them every year since then, fees would now be £9,545, almost identical to the level which the Government are now putting them at, but with some associated HEFCE grant; there were still teaching grants as well. The noble Baroness, Lady Blackstone, was right to say that we either need an injection of public money alongside, or fees will need to go even higher.

One of the most disappointing features of the argument about the recent indexation was the amount of confusion and misunderstanding about how the fees regime works. A lot of people linked it, somehow, to student hardship. The cash students need to live on at university is a completely different issue but does need to be tackled. Very few people realise that if the repayment formula is fixed, there is no increase in your monthly or annual repayments; it is just that you will repay for a bit longer.

One lesson from this, so that we do not slip backwards and see the type of anxieties to which the noble Baroness, Lady Blackstone, referred, is that it is really important that the Government keep on communicating the realities of how this system works, so that no disadvantaged student in a college or a sixth form thinks that he or she somehow cannot afford to go. I have to say that, in the last few weeks, Martin Lewis has once again been a voice of sanity, explaining the truth of the system, which is very different from some of the widespread misconceptions.

Unless we have a significant increase in fees, or further public expenditure support alongside, sadly, there will be universities that get into very serious difficulties. Will the Minister tell us when we are going to see a clear statement from the Government of what the process is for a university that runs out of cash? What happens? This could well be tested in the next year; we need authoritative guidance in the absence of a bolder proposal to increase fees.

Finally, I comment on one other issue. This is a Government who have an admirable commitment to raising the growth rate. Universities can really contribute to that. The industrial strategy had, I think, 11 references to FE colleges, which is admirable; it had two references to higher education, both in the context of research, and we have had eloquent statements about research. Universities are just useful for educating people in practical, vocational skills. There are 160 employer and other credentialising bodies that credentialise students who emerge from university. Will the Minister place in the Library the DfE estimates not of how many courses there are but of how many students are studying vocational courses that are in some way credentialised or vocational? Universities have an invaluable vocational role and I very much hope that, in the next stage of the industrial strategy, they are identified as a key sector, meriting particular support from the Government.