Southport Inquiry: Prevent Programme

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Thursday 16th April 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

On the Statement yesterday, I responded to the request from the noble Baroness, Lady Doocey, to introduce amendments to the Crime and Policing Bill. The Bill finishes its stages in Parliament this week or, potentially, next week or the week after. We have been very clear that we want to examine the recommendations in full, but we received these recommendations only at noon on Monday. I think it is fair that we give them consideration, but the noble Baroness’s point about data sharing and co-operation was a significant failure identified by Sir Adrian, and one we will respond to in full in the summer.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, will the Minister confirm that there is no suggestion that people who are demonstrating should be arrested or harassed in any way, and that the only people who are being arrested or harassed are those acting illegally?

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

It is a tangential point to the issue in relation to Southport, but I assure my noble friend that both Houses of Parliament have passed legislation—in this case, banning Palestine Action. That is subject to a current court case. We have taken that decision on solid advice from security services, and nobody is stopping anybody protesting about Palestine, Israel or any other issue. Under clear proscription orders from the powers that the Government have, any terrorist-related item is banned. We made a judgment on Palestine Action that it is terrorist-related action. It is subject to court procedures at the moment, but I hope we can resolve them very shortly.

Life Sciences: Beagles

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Monday 9th February 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

That is an important point. We have to ensure that the sector operates properly and effectively and is not damaged by foreign state actors or any other criminal elements. That is why we put in place the measures in relation to protests, which we debated in this House last week. The Government will continue to ensure that robust measures, about which it would not be appropriate to talk in this Chamber, are put in place to protect all sectors of our industrial society.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, while I agree with the Government’s strategy to phase this out, are any other countries doing something similar? Can lessons be learned from experiences in other countries?

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

That is interesting. My noble friend should know that the UK has the highest standards possible in this area. One of the reasons that we do not wish immediately to close down some aspects of this work is because the businesses which produce that research—which the noble Lord mentioned earlier—would find themselves going abroad and operating under far poorer standards than those in the United Kingdom. We are a high-standard country because of the 1986 Act, and any dilution of that would result in more animals being harmed. Our strategy should be supported.

Domestic Violence Against Children

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Monday 19th January 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

One of the key areas is ensuring that, through the education system, we strengthen relationship education, personal relationship education and, in particular, respect for young girls. That is a very difficult job, because there is a mass of social media that has an exact opposite approach to the type of things that we wish to see within the education system, so we are also, through the Online Safety Act, looking at what we need to do with online harm, because the world has moved on, even in the past 10 to 15 years, and will continue to do so. That is a very important point and one that the Government are very much apprised of and trying to find some resolution to.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, the Minister is quite correct to say that social media has much more impact than government policy in this area, but is he confident that the regulator, which has continued to fail to do anything about this, will be up for the job that it now has, with the changes in the policy direction, and that it will do the job that it is supposed to do to protect the public?

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

Ofcom, which is the appropriate regulatory body, is determined to ensure that the existing Online Safety Act legislation is implemented and, in particular, that social media companies are held to account for their performance on it. Again, on the violence against women and girls strategy and other matters such as fraud, which is within my direct remit, we are looking at whether we need to give additional powers and support to Ofcom to ensure that it performs those tasks properly.

Computer-generated Child Sexual Abuse Material

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Wednesday 7th January 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

I cannot give the noble Lord specific detail on that. I come back to the point that there has been a consultation on the use of the powers under the Online Safety Act. That consultation has been completed; Ofcom will now reporting to government before April this year. That is when the provisions in the Online Safety Act, which had cross-party support, will be implemented.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, following the earlier questions, if the regulator fails to do its duty, as it has done in the past, will the Government remove the regulator and find someone who will?

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

I hope it is helpful to say to my noble friend that it is important that we have a strong cross-party approach that supports Ofcom, looks at the results of its consultation and draws up a plan to implement closure of illegal content under our current legislation. With, I hope, cross-party support for the Crime and Policing Bill’s measures coming up shortly—and for the measures we will introduce on Report, for example, on nudifying apps—we can be proud of the fact that this country will be one of the leaders in tackling child sexual abuse online. I hope that my noble friend will give that strong support. Let us hope and pray that we can deliver this as a Government, with support from organisations such as Ofcom.

Asylum Accommodation

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Tuesday 16th December 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

As the noble Lord will know, we have announced that we wish to examine the opportunity for Crowborough barracks. We are under- taking due diligence at the moment. That involves discussions with a range of authorities, including the police, local authorities, the local health service and, indeed, the local Member of Parliament. No final decision has been taken as yet.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, does the Minister agree with me that servicemen’s accommodation is in the terrible state it is in because the last Government privatised it?

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

I say to my noble friend what I said to the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh of Pickering: this Labour Government have invested more money in servicepeople’s housing than any Government previously over the last few years. We have done that to upgrade housing that was left to go to wrack and ruin by the previous Government. I am proud of the fact that my colleagues in the Ministry of Defence have committed to that, have seen it through and are improving standards for service men and women across the country.

Social Media: Scam Adverts and Fraudulent Content

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Thursday 11th December 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

The noble Baroness is absolutely right. One of the things that we are trying to do—again, trailing the fraud strategy—is to ensure that we have better criminal justice outcomes for investigations. We are just starting—this will become clearer when the fraud strategy is produced—a better journey for victims of fraud in terms of reporting, keeping them informed and getting to criminal justice outcomes. There is a real wish by the National Crime Agency in particular and the Serious Fraud Office to look at how we can bring criminals to justice. A number of measures have already taken place where we have seized assets and brought people to court, and I want to see that continue. It is vital that we make the UK the hardest place possible for fraudsters to operate, which means not just protection and better investment in telecommunication platform issues but putting in an element of serious risk for those fraudsters to ensure that they end up behind bars or lose their assets.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, does the Minister agree that the regulators often use long consultation periods to do nothing and that the general public want action, not consultation?

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

It is important that we get these things right—I say that to my noble friend in the spirit of camaraderie—and sometimes there are issues that take a while to work through. If he is referring to the question of Ofcom and advertising that the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, raised, there is a wish for Ofcom to get it right and to ensure that whatever it does is legally secure in getting it right. I want to give it breathing space to do that. The direction of travel is there to ensure that fraudulent adverts are taken down and not used as a gateway for the very issues that other noble Lords have mentioned today.

Police: Records

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Tuesday 11th November 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

There are 43 police forces; I bear the scars of being the Police and Counter- terrorism Minister in 2009-10 looking at potentially encouraging some forces to merge. I will not comment on the numbers—the important thing is efficiency. A policing White Paper will be published very shortly, in which we will look at how we can improve the efficiency of police forces. I look forward to the noble Viscount’s contribution when that paper is published in due course.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, the phone hacking scandal that hit Britain, which was never properly investigated by the Met, leaves a lot of things unsaid and unheard. Should we not release all the files from the police so that we can see what went on in that case?

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

My noble friend makes a very interesting point. I bear the scars of that one as well, in the sense that I answered for the Home Office in 2009 when the phone hacking scandal first erupted. Lessons have been learned. There have been many litigious court cases and a range of policy changes have been made as a result, but, self-evidently, transparency is key. I will certainly examine my noble friend’s comments if we can add further to that transparency.

Corporate Liquidations

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Tuesday 10th June 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

The noble Lord makes an interesting observation that I do not share. First, there is no empirical evidence to suggest that NICs or business rates changes are primary reasons for any of these closures in the UK. I can give examples of businesses that are doing very well. Let us look at the hospitality business. I just looked at the latest results for JD Wetherspoon, which had revenue of £2.2 billion and EBITDA of £19.28 million. Stonegate, one of the largest pub companies in the UK, had revenue of £1.75 billion and EBITDA of £394 million. These are not companies that are in trouble. The picture is mixed. Yes, we have some contraction in the business sector, but businesses are thriving. Do not listen to me. Listen to people such as the president of Blackstone, who this week said:

“I would give the UK Government a lot of credit for embracing business”.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, is it not the case that under the last Government we nearly had bankruptcy in the economy, we had very low levels of growth and we had poverty wages? Is it not time for them to have a period of silence?

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

I thank the noble Lord for that question. All I can say is that in my long years of business I have learned one thing. Turnover is vanity; profit is sanity. If companies keep chasing turnover without the support of working capital, they will be on the first and pretty fast step to failure.

Telecommunications Fraud: Reimbursement of Victims

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Wednesday 14th May 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

I will certainly look at that point. It is not within my direct responsibility, because this Question is about fraud. I live in a semi-rural area in north Wales myself and those issues are important, but they are not directly Home Office responsibilities. If the noble Lord will allow me, I will refer that matter to the appropriate Minister for somebody else to call in—I have enough people to call in on my own.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, does the Minister agree that it is about time that we treated social media as publishers and held them to the same account as we would do newspapers, et cetera? We have 14 years of lack of action on this. Should not the Government look at this again and try to deal with the problems that have just been raised?

[Lord Hanson of Flint (Lab)]

My noble friend can rest assured that under the Online Safety Act, which passed with an element of cross-party support but which has now been implemented by this Government, we have put in place stringent standards whereby, if illegal, harmful and fraudulent content is hosted by companies and they do not remove it when requested to do so, they will face fines and penalties which are severe. As I said to the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, we intend to keep that under review. We intend to look at how it is working, and if it is not working to a satisfactory level, we will take further action in the forthcoming fraud strategy paper that will be produced towards the end of this year.

Audit, Reporting and Governance Authority

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Monday 31st March 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

I thank my noble friend for his question. It is true that these reforms are long overdue, which is why this Government are working on them at pace. My noble friend will understand that I cannot pre-empt any pre-legislative scrutiny process for either the content of the draft Bill or the timing of its introduction. However, we are fully committed to delivering these changes and doing so in a way that ensures that parliamentarians, businesses and wider stakeholders are part of the journey.

[Lord Watts (Lab)]

My Lords, the Minister set out some of the recent scandals that have occurred. Can he tell us how many people have gone to jail over those scandals and whether the proposed legislation will hold these people to account?

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

My noble friend makes a very important point. I do not know whether anyone has been sent to jail, but I will find out and write to him. It is important that noble Lords recognise that the current regulator has limited powers. The new regulator will have additional powers to ensure that directors are held responsible for their fiduciary duties. It is important that we get it right and that we consult widely, but, at the same time, we do not want to overburden SMEs and other businesses with the new regulator. We are taking our time to make sure that we get it right.