(6 years, 5 months ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, are the Government prepared to compromise on the red lines that they set out, and if not, what is the point of the dialogue taking place between them and the Opposition?
(6 years, 6 months ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        I think I need to apologise to the noble Lord: I thought I was here to answer questions on behalf of the Government, but apparently he thinks I am now here to answer questions on behalf of the ERG. I suggest that the best way for him to get answers to his questions is to pose them to the gentlemen who made those statements.
 Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, when I suggested an extension, the Minister said that there was no need for one. Obviously, now there is. Can I suggest that he takes my advice and goes for a referendum to confirm any deal in the future?
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        I always value the advice of the noble Lord, but I think in this case we will not be taking that particular piece of advice.
(7 years, 1 month ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        I thank my noble friend, but we have made it very clear to our EU partners that their version of the backstop, which would produce a customs border in the Irish Sea, is completely unacceptable to us. That is why the negotiations are still continuing on that matter.
 Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, the Minister says that it is unacceptable, but is it not the case that unless a deal is agreed with the European Union, that is exactly what could happen?
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        I can confirm that unless a deal with the EU is agreed, we will have no deal.
(7 years, 1 month ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        Yes, that applies to us. It also applies to the European Union.
 Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        Could the Minister follow on from the earlier question and give some indication of whether an assessment has been made of how much the liability will be for the UK Government if there is no deal?
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        We are confident that there will be a deal but, as I said, if there is no deal, the financial commitment agreed to in the context of a deal will no longer apply. As I said, we will meet our legal commitments.
(7 years, 3 months ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        I think there would be total uproar in this country if we did not implement the referendum vote. I am slightly confused about why this call for a second referendum is now being labelled a people’s vote, as if somehow the people did not get to vote in the first referendum.
 Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, can the Minister say what the Government will do if Parliament rejects the deal?
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        We hope that Parliament will not reject the deal, but if it does, clearly the Government will have to contemplate that and come back to Parliament with a statement on how we proceed.
(7 years, 3 months ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        I thought there was going to be a “but”, there, but obviously not. I thank my noble friend for his kind remarks. I was somewhat surprised to wake up this morning to find that the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, had apparently announced my resignation on Twitter overnight, which was perhaps wishful thinking on his part.
 Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, can the Minister set out the difference between the existing system and the one now being advocated by the Government?
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        I am not sure what system the noble Lord is referring to, but if he waits until later in the week, we will be producing a White Paper, which I am sure will provide him all the details that he wishes to see.
(7 years, 4 months ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        We will not be remaining as members. The Government think it is a waste to spend money on an election that would be pointless because we will not have Members of the European Parliament. We also think it is pointless for the Electoral Commission to spend money preparing for an election that will not happen, and we have made that very clear to it.
 Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, the Minister says he is not going to make any preparations in case we do not leave in two years because we are going to leave in two years. Is it not the case that that would require the consent of the House of Commons? If it does not happen, he will not have a plan B.
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        We are leaving on 30 March 2019 because the House of Commons and this House agreed to the European Union (Notice of Withdrawal) Act under which Article 50 was notified, so the House of Commons has already agreed to it, as has this House.
(7 years, 6 months ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        We have said that we want to get the withdrawal agreement bottomed out and agreed by October and that we also want to agree future partnerships in as much detail as possible to provide that certainty. I accept the noble Lord’s point that this is a time of uncertainty. We are working at pace to try to provide that certainty.
 Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, can the Minister explain why any country in the world would want to do a better trade deal with a country with a population of 50 million when it would have a chance of getting a better deal with the rest of Europe, which has a population of 500 million?
(7 years, 9 months ago)
Lords Chamber Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        The analysis to which I believe the article refers is a preliminary attempt to improve on the flawed analysis around the EU referendum. It is there to test ideas and design a viable framework for the analysis of our exit from the European Union, and at this very early stage it considers only off-the-shelf trade arrangements that currently exist. We have been clear that those are not what we seek in the negotiations. It does not consider the desired outcome—the most ambitious relationship possible with the European Union, as set out by the Prime Minister in her Florence speech.
 Lord Watts (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, is the Minister more worried about the sniping from this side of the Chamber or from his own?
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        I must apologise: I did not hear the question. Would the noble Lord mind repeating it?
 Lord Watts
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts 
        
    
        
    
        I asked whether the Minister was more worried about sniping from this side of the Chamber or from his own side.
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        One person’s sniping is another person’s constructive comments. I enjoy engaging with this House, sometimes on destructive comments, but we have considered appropriate contributions from all parts of this House.
(7 years, 9 months ago)
Lords Chamber The Lord Privy Seal (Baroness Evans of Bowes Park) (Con)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            The Lord Privy Seal (Baroness Evans of Bowes Park) (Con) 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, it is the turn of the Conservative Benches.
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, I think that no agreement would be bad for both sides; that is why we want an agreement.
 Lord Watts
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Watts 
        
    
        
    
        My Lords, is it not the case that, in this and many other areas in which we are negotiating with our present partners, we are nowhere near completion? Should we not be trying to talk to our partners about extending the time to allow proper negotiation and proper solutions to the many problems that we face with Brexit?
 Lord Callanan
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Lord Callanan 
        
    
        
    
        As the noble Lord will be aware, the Article 50 process sets out the timescale, and we are very confident that we can reach agreement in the timescale set out.