All 2 Debates between Lord Soames of Fletching and Nick Harvey

Tue 24th May 2011
Libya
Commons Chamber
(Urgent Question)

NATO Rapid Reaction Corps

Debate between Lord Soames of Fletching and Nick Harvey
Friday 21st October 2011

(13 years, 1 month ago)

Ministerial Corrections
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Lord Soames of Fletching Portrait Nicholas Soames
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To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what the (a) number and (b) rank is of the UK personnel in HQ Allied Rapid Reaction Corps.

[Official Report, 18 July 2011, Vol. 531, c. 584W.]

Letter of correction from Nick Harvey:

An error has been identified in the written answer given to the right hon. Member for Mid Sussex (Nicholas Soames) on 18 July 2011. The civilian figures provided in the table were incorrect.

The full answer given was as follows:

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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The number and rank/grade of UK military and civilian personnel in the HQ Allied Rapid Reaction Corps is shown in the following table:

Military rank

Number of personnel

Lieutenant General

1

Major General

1

Brigadier

5

Colonel

11

Lieutenant Colonel

23

Major/Lieutenant Commander

76

Captain

25

Warrant Officer Class 2

19

Warrant Officer Class 1

6

Staff Sergeant

11

Sergeant

18

Corporal

27

Lance Corporal

13

Civilian grades

C2

1

D

3

D (Military Support Function)

1

E1

9

E2

1

Industrial Skill Zone 2

1



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Libya

Debate between Lord Soames of Fletching and Nick Harvey
Tuesday 24th May 2011

(13 years, 6 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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The right hon. Gentleman quotes the French Minister, and my understanding is that the French have indeed taken a decision to deploy their attack helicopters in Libya. I state again for the avoidance of all doubt that no such decision has been taken by the United Kingdom. It is an option that we are considering, but no decision has been taken, and there is absolutely no sense in which it is true to say that we have kept Parliament in the dark about a decision that we have taken.

I do not accept that if we were to take the decision to use attack helicopters at some point in the future, that would be an “escalation” of what we are doing in Libya. The targets would remain the same; it would simply be a tactical shift in what assets we used to try to hit those targets. The right hon. Gentleman asks why we would consider doing this, and what would be the military logic of contemplating using attack helicopters. The principal advantage it would give us over the air assets we are currently deploying is the ability to strike moving targets with greater precision.

The right hon. Gentleman asked about the costs. I do not recognise the figure he gives. It is not possible to compute in real time a figure, but I say to him again that the Chancellor of the Exchequer has made it clear that the cost of this operation will be met by the reserve.

The right hon. Gentleman asked about maintaining the momentum. We keep our stocks under regular review, including specifically of Brimstone. We are content that we can keep going for the foreseeable future, but we will have to make adjustments as time goes on and calculate whether it will be necessary to increase our stocks.

On the operational allowance, the arrangements will remain as they are, but we are looking into the possibility of extending special consideration for those who would not meet the normal criteria.

The Government have been doing their utmost to ensure that the House is kept informed about what is going on. There have been debates and questions, and we have given several briefings, and if the right hon. Gentleman feels at any stage that he needs more information, he needs only to ask and we will do everything we can to afford him that information. We are involved in a military operation, however. We have to consider from time to time the tactics we are using, and you will understand, Mr Speaker, why we would not do so in advance on the Floor of the House. Apart from anything else, telling the enemy exactly what we are up to would be a very unusual strategy. As soon as decisions are taken, however, we will ensure that Parliament is informed.

Lord Soames of Fletching Portrait Nicholas Soames (Mid Sussex) (Con)
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I thank my hon. Friend for his statement. If the Apache helicopter were to be deployed, that would be entirely appropriate, particularly given the Gaddafi forces’ change in tactics, and the requirement to have a highly effective machine that can lurk and deal with the hard-to-find targets. What steps would need to be taken to marinise the Apache if it were to be operating off-carrier?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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I agree with my hon. Friend that we are right to consider this in pursuance, as I said, of UNSCR 1973. Gaddafi and his regime remain a real threat to the civilian population in Libya and if we were to take a decision to use an attack helicopter, it would be in pursuit of that resolution. Such helicopters give us a greater ability to pinpoint targets, we are able to operate them from HMS Ocean or other maritime assets, and there is no need for any specific adaptation in order to do that.