All 1 Debates between Lord Sewell of Sanderstead and Baroness Smith of Malvern

Freedom of Speech in Universities

Debate between Lord Sewell of Sanderstead and Baroness Smith of Malvern
Thursday 10th October 2024

(1 month, 2 weeks ago)

Lords Chamber
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Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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I agree with the noble Lord. The position of higher education, support for higher education and the embedding of freedom of speech and academic freedom within our universities are serious issues. This is a serious Government who are interested in finding the right solutions, rather than a political headline.

Lord Sewell of Sanderstead Portrait Lord Sewell of Sanderstead (Con)
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On freedom of speech, as a former academic, I detect—to put it firmly—a real stitch-up here between vice-chancellors and the Government. Really and truly, they just want an easy time of this and the Government have provided them the convenience of having that. This is not really an issue about freedom of speech because the Government do not believe in it in this context. This is more ideologically driven than anything else.

Baroness Smith of Malvern Portrait Baroness Smith of Malvern (Lab)
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The noble Lord is wholly wrong. We strongly believe in freedom of speech and academic freedom. It was a Labour Government who enshrined freedom of expression in legislation. The discussions I have had have been not only with representatives of higher education but with advocates of this Act and of freedom of speech and academic freedom. I will continue to do that, and I will not be tempted into the sort of political grandstanding that the noble Lord is attempting to get me into.