Comprehensive Spending Review

Debate between Lord Sassoon and Baroness Anelay of St Johns

Monday 1st November 2010 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Anelay of St Johns]

I do not need to protect my Minister. My Minister is here to protect the economy of this country.

[Lord Sassoon]

My Lords, I have got all night. I am very grateful to my noble friend. It is late, and we will have an opportunity to come back to these matters again. Specific funding for 16 to 19 year-old learning will be announced in the statement of priorities for the Department for Education later this year, so we will have opportunities to come back to that.

I move on briefly to one or two further points on reforms to our public services. We will leave no stone unturned in our search for waste, while we devolve power and funding away from Whitehall. I was very struck by the contributions by my noble friends Lady Browning and Lord Newby, who reminded us just how much more we can get from Government by better procurement and cutting waste. It is in those ways that we will be able to target expenditure going forward on those who need it—whether that is for 16 to 19 year-old education or those with disabilities. We have to remember at all times that the attack on waste continues to be a high priority.

Rightly, concerns have been expressed about the transitional effects of the job losses from the public sector. The Government are also very concerned about easing the transition, which is why we have announced the initiative such as the £1.4 billion regional growth fund.

I conclude today’s debate by saying that the decisions that we have taken have restored credibility to our public finances and stability to our economy. When we came to power, this coalition Government did face the worse economic inheritance in modern history. We have had to make tough choices—

Finance Bill

Debate between Lord Sassoon and Baroness Anelay of St Johns

Monday 26th July 2010 Lords Chamber

[Lord Myners]

The Minister spoke on the subject of capital gains tax. Can he confirm whether he stands by his statement, in introducing this debate, that the capital gains tax rate for those on standard-rate income tax will remain at a lower rate of 18 per cent and that a standard-rate taxpayer will not be required to pay a higher rate of capital gains tax?

[Baroness Anelay of St Johns]

My Lords, I appreciate the nature of the intervention by the noble Lord, Lord Myners, and the Minister has been generous in giving way. The House will understand that the guidance in the Companion is that speeches are normally not expected to exceed 20 minutes. I also understand that this is an unusual debate, because this House has a great interest in but is not permitted to return to this matter at a future stage. I therefore took, perhaps, a sole decision that matters ought to be allowed to continue so that noble Lords could intervene upon my noble friend. I should perhaps indicate that the patience of the House may soon be extinguished and I therefore advise my noble friend that although he may of course respond as he may feel appropriate to the intervention by the noble Lord, Lord Myners, he should then draw his remarks to a close.

[Lord Sassoon]

My Lords, I confirm to the noble Lord, Lord Myners, that the proposals are indeed for an 18 per cent capital gains tax rate and for 28 per cent on those who are on the higher bands for income tax. We have no other proposals. I shall respond briefly to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Desai, about unearned income needing, in his view, to be taxed at rates as high as earned income. Taxing unearned income at lower rates maintains incentives to save and invest, and it is critical that we continue to think about and promote savings and investment in this country. Lower rates for unearned income allow for the fact that income has already been taxed before it is saved. Higher tax rates on savings would lead to high levels of double taxation, which would not be conducive to increasing savings and investment.

One or two comments have been made today about pensions, because the Bill will provide the first step in freeing employers from the complicated and poorly targeted pensions legislation that the previous Government introduced. We will use this power, which expires on 31 December this year, only if a sensible alternative system can be found that provides the same necessary revenue. We will also be clear about the impacts of this alternative, so I am glad that my noble friend Lord Blackwell recognises the benefit of what we are doing. I will certainly make sure that the ideas which he puts forward are fed into our consultation on this issue.

On annuities, the Government, as I have said, will remove the requirement to purchase annuities at 75. In answer, I think, to the point that my noble friend Lord Higgins was making, this Bill brings in transitional provisions that prevent anyone turning 75 on or after Budget day from being disadvantaged by having to make a decision before the new rules are in place. We are consulting on the mechanics of the new system now, and in that context I will make sure that we look at my noble friend’s previous amendments on this subject.

Lastly, I want to do justice to the points that have been made in the debate. If noble Lords will permit me, I will say a couple of words on points that have been raised on the general structure of the tax system. This topic was first brought up by the noble Lord, Lord Stern. The noble Lord, Lord Desai, also made some comments, as did my noble friends Lord Northbrook and Lord Bates. As set out in the coalition’s programme for government, the tax system does indeed need to be reformed to make it more competitive, to make it simpler, to make it greener and to make it fairer.

In addition to structural reform, at the Budget the Government committed to reforming the way in which tax policy is made to restore the UK tax system’s reputation for predictability, stability and simplicity. The Government will consider the conclusions of the Mirrlees review when they are published later this year and, as announced at Budget, the Government are considering improvements to specific green taxes, including changes to the climate change levy and to the aviation tax system. I do not know whether I will be able to get access—I rather doubt it under the arrangements that apply—to the 2004 paper of the noble Lord, Lord Stern, but I hope if he can remember some of the critical ideas in it that he may drop me a line. I remind him and my noble friends Lord Northbrook and Lord Bates that the Office of Tax Simplification has now launched, and it will address the critical issues to which they properly draw attention.

Before we conclude, I will explain briefly how the Government will ensure greater scrutiny of the next two Finance Bills. Given this unusual year, the Government will publish a further Finance Bill in the autumn. I cannot promise my noble friend Lord Bates that it will be as short as this one but it will introduce those measures inherited from the previous Government. For the first time, draft legislation and Explanatory Notes are available on the Treasury website.

To conclude, this Bill sets out our priorities, our vision and a credible path to a sustainable recovery. We are encouraging enterprise and protecting those most in need, yet tackling the stratospheric debt left to us and this country. This Government are taking action where others have not.

Bill read a second time. Committee negatived. Standing Order 47 having been dispensed with, the Bill was read a third time and passed.