EU Council

Debate between Lord Ryder of Wensum and Lord Strathclyde

Monday 2nd July 2012 Lords Chamber

[Lord Strathclyde]

First, my Lords, I thought I had made it pretty clear that the Prime Minister and the Government are not in favour of having an in/out referendum now. It is not the answer right now, but who knows? I would not support one, and I do not think that the Government would, because it is not the right choice to make. The right choice to make is that since Europe is in flux we should see where it ends up and where the relationship changes, if it does. We already have provision, agreed by Parliament, that when power moves from the United Kingdom to Europe there should be a referendum, so referendums should not concern us very much. However, if that relationship changes, perhaps the right thing should be to consult the British people, either in a general election or in a referendum.

As for growth, we were very much part of the group that called for a credible EU growth agenda. The European Council endorsed our growth priorities on Friday. For instance, we secured agreement for the immediate implementation of actions to eliminate unjustified barriers on services. This alone could add 1.6% to EU GDP over the next few years.

[Lord Ryder of Wensum]

My Lords, is not the use of “growth” incredibly mistaken in the context not only of my noble friend’s Statement but of the European Council’s conclusions, which I have before me? Indeed, the first paragraph of the Council’s conclusions states:

“The European Union will continue to do everything necessary to put Europe back on the path of smart … and inclusive growth”.

Perhaps my noble friend can explain the difference between growth and “smart … and inclusive growth”. Furthermore, I would be very grateful to know precisely what the Prime Minister’s definition of growth is, because I have been confused in recent weeks by his understanding of it. Growth in the long term in the European Union can be sustainable only by continuing to liberalise every country within it and by introducing supply-side measures. If my noble friend agrees that the Prime Minister accepts this principle, can he please let us know what supply-side measures the Prime Minister has been trying to persuade his European colleagues to implement in recent weeks?

[Lord Strathclyde]

My Lords, I, too, read those words from the conclusions of the Council’s meeting, which say:

“on the path of smart, sustainable and inclusive growth”.

I suspect that in different countries within the EU, it means rather different things. The conclusions go on to say that it should provide,

“a coherent framework for action at national, EU and euro area levels, using all possible levers, instruments and policies”.

It then directs the reader to the annexe.

That leads me to my noble friend’s second question. I entirely agree with him that growth in Europe will come from sustaining, liberalising measures within the European economy. Again, we have been at the forefront of that by arguing for sound money, for spending European money better and more wisely, and wasting less of it, for decentralisation and for reducing bureaucracy. All these measures are the kind of things that have worked in the past and will work again.

Draft House of Lords Reform Bill

Debate between Lord Ryder of Wensum and Lord Strathclyde

Tuesday 20th December 2011 Lords Chamber

[Lord Strathclyde]

My Lords, I am not aware that my right honourable friend said that he would do so. He used words about the will of the House of Commons; and the Parliament Act is of course part of a process that kicks in when the two Houses disagree with each other. It is a well understood process, and although it has perhaps not been well used, it has been used on many occasions. It is always of regret to me when Parliament Acts are used because I believe that, between the two Houses, there must be a better way of reaching agreements.

[Lord Ryder of Wensum]

My Lords, my noble friend has been exceedingly patient. Would it not be wise for us to close this debate on the grounds—on which we are united—that the speech made yesterday by the Deputy Prime Minister showed only a veneer of expertise?

[Lord Strathclyde]

My Lords, I will not be tempted down that road by my noble friend.

Legislative Timetable

Debate between Lord Ryder of Wensum and Lord Strathclyde

Thursday 6th October 2011 Lords Chamber

[Lord Ryder of Wensum]

Exactly two years ago, on 5 October 2009, at the Conservative Party conference in Manchester, the then shadow Leader of the House of Commons, now its Leader, Sir George Young, stated:

“Conservatives will legislate less, but we will also legislate better. So today I can announce that we will abolish the practice of automatically guillotining government bills”.

Why have Sir George and the Government broken those two promises?

[Lord Strathclyde]

My Lords, on the first point, I am delighted to tell my noble friend that in the first Session of the last Labour Administration, in 2005-06, 4,005 pages of legislation were enacted. So far this Session, which is longer than the 2005-06 one, we have passed only 1,392 pages of legislation. As for automatic timetabling in another place, that is up to the procedures there. However, I understand that most of that timetabling is agreed with the Opposition, very often without a vote.

Office for Budget Responsibility

Debate between Lord Ryder of Wensum and Lord Strathclyde

Tuesday 6th July 2010 Lords Chamber

[Lord Grabiner]

My Lords—

[Lord Strathclyde]

I really do think that it is time to hear from a Conservative Back-Bencher.

[Lord Ryder of Wensum]

My Lords, is my noble friend aware that in nine out of the past 10 years Treasury forecasts for growth exceeded the actual growth levels? Is he therefore not entirely entitled to review the process by which government statistics are worked out?

Special Advisers

Debate between Lord Ryder of Wensum and Lord Strathclyde

Monday 7th June 2010 Lords Chamber

[Lord Strathclyde]

My Lords, the figures will be made public when we publish the announcement shortly.

[Lord Ryder of Wensum]

My Lords, can my noble friend explain the main purpose of a special adviser to the Government?

[Lord Strathclyde]

My Lords, these advisers are the personal appointments of Cabinet Ministers. Their job is to help Cabinet Ministers to do their job even more effectively than they would otherwise have done if they had not had such an appointment.