All 1 Debates between Lord Murphy of Torfaen and Lord Howarth of Newport

Wed 23rd Nov 2016
Wales Bill
Lords Chamber

Committee: 4th sitting (Hansard): House of Lords

Wales Bill

Debate between Lord Murphy of Torfaen and Lord Howarth of Newport
Committee: 4th sitting (Hansard): House of Lords
Wednesday 23rd November 2016

(7 years, 11 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Howarth of Newport Portrait Lord Howarth of Newport
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The noble Lord, Lord Elis-Thomas, is not only a master of procedure both in the Welsh Assembly and in this Parliament; he is also most ingenious politically.

Lord Murphy of Torfaen Portrait Lord Murphy of Torfaen (Lab)
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My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Rowlands on his tidy amendment, which comes from a tidy friend. I have had the great pleasure of knowing my noble friend for 46 years; in fact, I was still in the sixth form when he first became a Welsh Member of Parliament. I know that the Minister has been hugely constructive during proceedings on the Bill. I hope that he will listen carefully to the points made by my noble friend, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, and others with regard to Amendment 111.

I also support my noble friend Lord Elis-Thomas on his amendments, particularly on what he said about the role of the Secretary of State for Wales having changed dramatically. When he was a new Presiding Officer and I was a new Secretary of State, I had a desk and a seat in the National Assembly. I also had an office there. When I had finished some years later in 2009, I had lost both my seat and my office. That was a measure of the Assembly growing up and beginning to understand that we do not want Secretaries of State interfering any more in what it does.