All 1 Debates between Lord Lucas and Lord Geddes

Tue 19th Jul 2011

Localism Bill

Debate between Lord Lucas and Lord Geddes
Tuesday 19th July 2011

(13 years, 5 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Lucas Portrait Lord Lucas
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My Lords, I shall speak also to my other amendments in the group.

Amendment 150 is, to some extent, an echo of the first amendment that we debated today which was tabled by my noble friend Lord True. It looks at ways of dealing with neighbourhood planning in cities, where it will be quite difficult to get the impetus to create communities. In towns and villages, the extent of the planning gain which will be available to the communities and the way in which they care about how their open environment is developed will produce strong motivations for communities to engage with the Bill. However, that is not so in cities. Even in areas such as Battersea it is not so, let alone the poorer parts of cities. In those areas, we need to have ways of creating communities which are more attuned to what is going on in the cities, to the needs of the citizens and to their particular cares.

Amendment 150 and, more particularly, Amendment 167 attempt to produce a structure to allow a local authority to have regard to community views on planning, which are expressed in a less formal way than that set out in the Bill. There would be none of the structure of having to go through gathering all the voices, an examination and a referendum but something much more suited to an area where there is no existing geographical community and where the community will never put together the effort to go through the procedures in this Bill because the gains are too small and its own structures are too weak. Those communities should be able to gain what they can from the direction of this Bill through their more gentle expressions of opinion, which should be taken properly into account in planning decisions. Of my two amendments, Amendment 167 is the one for which I have the most affection.

On Amendment 152ZC—an amendment is never the easiest thing to find in this Marshalled List.

Lord Geddes Portrait The Deputy Chairman of Committees (Lord Geddes)
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I think you will find it at the bottom of page 13.