Corporate Liquidations

Debate between Lord Londesborough and Lord Leong

Tuesday 10th June 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

My Lords, I assure the noble Baroness that we will publish our industrial strategy very soon, and it will definitely cover SMEs. As I mentioned earlier, compulsory liquidation is not something new. Companies go bust. We have seen big companies fail. Failure is a reality of business. Even major firms such as Ted Baker, The Body Shop and Wilko have collapsed. We should be thinking about how to support these corporate failures. We must have a more robust system, whether it is the credit system that needs reforming or even British banks. We must incorporate the American culture. Yes, we have to address failures, but more important is how we get up, dust ourselves down and get on to the business market again.

[Lord Londesborough (CB)]

My Lords, does the Minister accept that some of these business closures, particularly for SMEs—where payroll is their largest expense—were triggered not only by the scheduled increase in NICs but by the steep hikes in the national minimum wage? As the noble Lord pointed out, this was demonstrated by the very disturbing falls in payrolled staff and vacancies reported by the ONS. The resulting squeeze on their cash flow may cause a further spike in the rate of liquidations through Q2 and Q3. How does this sit with the Government’s claim to have “restored economic stability”?

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

The noble Lord makes an interesting observation that I do not share. First, there is no empirical evidence to suggest that NICs or business rates changes are primary reasons for any of these closures in the UK. I can give examples of businesses that are doing very well. Let us look at the hospitality business. I just looked at the latest results for JD Wetherspoon, which had revenue of £2.2 billion and EBITDA of £19.28 million. Stonegate, one of the largest pub companies in the UK, had revenue of £1.75 billion and EBITDA of £394 million. These are not companies that are in trouble. The picture is mixed. Yes, we have some contraction in the business sector, but businesses are thriving. Do not listen to me. Listen to people such as the president of Blackstone, who this week said:

“I would give the UK Government a lot of credit for embracing business”.

UK Entrepreneurs

Debate between Lord Londesborough and Lord Leong

Wednesday 4th December 2024 Lords Chamber

[Lord Londesborough (CB)]

My Lords, in begging leave to ask the Question standing in my name on the Order Paper, I declare my interests as set out in the register.

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

My Lords, the Government continue to provide support for entrepreneurs, including through start-up loans via the British Business Bank and programmes such as growth hubs across England and the Help to Grow: Management course across the UK. The Government will also publish a small business strategy next year, which will outline our vision for boosting scale-ups and helping all types of small businesses to thrive and grow, empowering entrepreneurs to innovate, export and create jobs across their regions.

[Lord Londesborough (CB)]

I thank the Minister for his response and I am delighted to see a fellow entrepreneur on the Front Bench—unlike in the other place. Fundraising for start-ups, in the quarter to September, dropped by almost 50% to a six-year low. Both start-ups and scale-ups have been hit by the toxic trio of measures: hikes in capital gains tax, hikes in employers’ national insurance, and hikes in the minimum wage running at three times the rate of inflation. First, on behalf of entrepreneurs, I ask: when will we see meaningful measures to encourage, rather than punish, job creation and risk-taking? Secondly, whatever happened to the Chancellor’s pledge to run

“the most pro-growth Treasury in our country’s history”?

[Lord Leong (Lab)]

I thank the noble Lord for his kind words. We have something in common in that we both founded our respective publishing companies in the 1980s, in the tail-end of the recession and through very challenging economic times. The difference is that he went on to build a huge business empire, compared with mine.

There were definitely fewer funding rounds for start- ups in the last quarter. The age of FOMO—the fear of missing out—on investment, which caused a spike in the last couple of years, has to a certain extent come and gone. However, angel investment, such as EIS with tax rebates of 30% to 50%, remains robust and I am pleased that the Chancellor has now given certainty that this will stay in place until 2035.

The Government’s new modern industrial strategy—