Royal Navy: Caribbean
Debate between Lord Lemos and Baroness Goldie
Lord Lemos (Lab)
I thank the noble and gallant Lord for that question. As he knows, we have published the national security strategy, which goes much wider than national security strategies have in the past. On his specific question, I am very happy to find out whether that analysis has been undertaken and come back to him, but he knows of our wider commitment to national security and increasing defence capacity.
Baroness Goldie (Con)
My Lords, further to the question from my noble friend Lord Trenchard, there is concern about the overall health of the Royal Navy, as frequently alluded to by the noble Lord, Lord West. There are reports that BAE may give away our UK building slots for the Type 26 frigate to Norway, which will leave us dependent on seven elderly Type 23 frigates. Can the Minister confirm that the UK Type 26 build will continue as originally scheduled to avoid unacceptable weakening of our naval capability?
Lord Lemos (Lab)
I will come to the point about Type 26, but let me first answer the wider question that the noble Baroness asks me about the capacity of the Royal Navy. The most recently published data shows that the Royal Navy’s readiness performance in 2025 reflects strong operational output in key categories and predictable reductions linked to planned maintenance cycles and unplanned defects. A great deal of work has been done to ensure that the efficient management of the defence forces in the Royal Navy ensures that coverage. As the noble Baroness knows, the Government are doing a lot to address the capacity of the Royal Navy overall, including the Type 26 frigates—I have answered a question on this before in your Lordships’ House. It is crucial that we work closely with Norway on the procurement of those Type 26 frigates. The sequencing of that will be part of how we go about ensuring security in the High North.
UK-Norway Defence Agreement: Impact in Scotland
Debate between Lord Lemos and Baroness Goldie
Lord Lemos (Lab)
I entirely agree. This is a vote of confidence in the British defence sector, particularly in the world-leading technologies that we have in anti-submarine procurement, as represented in this contract. As for the alliance with Norway, Norway is one of our strongest allies and has been since the Second World War. As I said a moment ago, the relationship in the North Atlantic is obviously crucial, given what my noble friend Lord Robertson said in the strategic defence review.
Baroness Goldie (Con)
My Lords, the previous Government found, as the current Government are finding, that the successful operation of our defence industry partners in Scotland is in spite of the Scottish Government, not because of them. I proffer a suggestion to the Minister: would he care, in conjunction with his colleagues in the MoD, to consider a defence industry forum in Scotland, to which all industry partners and relevant government agencies would be invited, to showcase the excellence of what Scotland is producing for our defence capability, broadening that awareness throughout Scotland and requiring the Scottish Government to explain more clearly exactly what they think their role is?
Lord Lemos (Lab)
I thank the noble Baroness for that question. That sounds like an excellent suggestion and I will certainly pass it on to the Secretary to State. I should be delighted to attend myself; I am looking forward to visiting some of these facilities with my noble friend Lady Curran. I should say that, in Scotland, defence directly employs 4,000 civil servants and 10,000 serving personnel. MoD spending with UK industry and commerce in Scotland in 2024-25 was £2.1 billion, £1.3 billion of which was on shipbuilding and repair, including submarines, and—this is an important point—£23 million of which went directly to SMEs. We are very committed and, as the noble Baroness says, we hope to make sure that the Scottish Government are too.