Debates between Lord Hacking and Lord Purvis of Tweed during the 2019-2024 Parliament

Wed 21st Dec 2022
National Security Bill
Lords Chamber

Committee stage: Part 2

National Security Bill

Debate between Lord Hacking and Lord Purvis of Tweed
Lord Hacking Portrait Lord Hacking (Lab)
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My Lords, I wanted to say something about Clause 23 when it was the right moment; I think this is the right moment, without breaking the rules, and I got a nod from the clerk, so I have that assurance.

I am afraid I have not yet been able to get into the details of the Bill, but as I told noble Lords, I have been out of the House for three months, and I am taking a bit of time to get back into the business. There seems to be some discontent on the Government Benches: am I offending somebody? Apparently not.

I received a brief from Reprieve, which says of Clause 23 that it could give Ministers and officials effective immunity for crimes such as targeted killing and torture, and would destroy the UK’s moral authority in condemning crimes such as Jamal Khashoggi’s murder by Saudi Arabia. Clause 23 would thwart accountability for Whitehall complicity in torture—

Lord Purvis of Tweed Portrait Lord Purvis of Tweed (LD)
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I wonder whether the noble Lord is considering Clause 28 rather than Clause 23.