Further Education Colleges: Recovery of VAT

Debate between Lord Deben and Lord Livermore

Tuesday 9th June 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Livermore (Lab)]

I am grateful to my noble friend for his question. As I have said, the Government are continuing to look into the VAT position of these colleges. Of course, admitting further education colleges to a VAT refund scheme would be a change in tax policy. As my noble friend knows, the Chancellor makes decisions on tax policy at fiscal events in the context of the overall public finances. I agree with my noble friend about the importance of FE colleges. That is why we are investing in FE colleges: £1.7 billion to support them to maintain their estates; £375 million to expand capacity for post-16 education; £590 million to support priorities such as recruitment and retention; and £295 million into 29 technical excellence colleges to support key sectors for growth including construction, engineering and manufacturing.

[Lord Deben (Con)]

Does the Minister accept that there are some areas where the law has already told the HMRC that it ought not to be demanding VAT—for example, agricultural shows—and that it refuses to accept the law and keeps on standing in the way of spreading what it has had to do for the Great Yorkshire Show to other shows? It is also true that the HMRC has lost its case about plug-in electric cars and is supposed to reduce the VAT to the same level as you pay at home. At the moment, it is penalising people who do not have a drive, and therefore people who do have a drive get their VAT very much lower. Why does he not intervene and make the HMRC accept the law?

[Lord Livermore (Lab)]

There is a lot there. I am confident that HMRC accepts the law and is following the law, but I am more than happy to look into the points that the noble Lord raises.

Budget: Taxes and Borrowing

Debate between Lord Deben and Lord Livermore

Monday 4th November 2024 Lords Chamber

[Lord Livermore (Lab)]

I absolutely agree with the importance of investment to the economy, which is why we have set out an investment rule which enables exactly that. The Government’s number one commitment is to economic and fiscal stability, which is why we have put in place those robust fiscal rules. It is interesting to note that average borrowing over the next five years will be 2.6% of GDP compared to 5.6% of GDP over the previous 14 years.

[Lord Deben (Con)]

My Lords, the Minister told the House that there were no promises broken in the Budget. The Secretary of State for Defra, which looks after agriculture, promised farmers that there would be no tax on inheritance. Why has he not resigned?

[Lord Livermore (Lab)]

On inheritance tax, currently the largest estates pay a lower effective tax rate than the smaller estates. I do not think that that can be right. Agricultural property relief is given on top of the normal inheritance tax thresholds. Individuals can pass up to £500,000 to a direct descendant, and then agricultural property relief would provide a further £1 million tax-free allowance. This means a couple can pass on up to £3 million tax free. Above that, there is a 50% discount on inheritance tax, so a rate of only 20% applies, and any liability can be paid in 10 yearly instalments. This seems to me to be pretty fair in the context of the decisions we have taken and in the context of what everyone else in society gets.