Debates between Lord Cashman and Lord Markham during the 2019-2024 Parliament

NHS England: Ovarian Cancer

Debate between Lord Cashman and Lord Markham
Thursday 2nd May 2024

(6 months, 3 weeks ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Markham Portrait Lord Markham (Con)
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Yes. Once again, I come at this from the perspective that health is the primary factor here. Clearly, a person’s biological sex is a key part of the information on their record that any clinician needs to know, so that absolutely needs to be primary.

Lord Cashman Portrait Lord Cashman (Lab)
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My Lords, I will make a simple point with which I hope the Minister agrees. Is it not to be welcomed that we come up with language that is inclusive and reaches as many people as possible, as the noble Baroness, Lady Burt, suggested, and as is indicated in the framing of the information we are discussing?

Lord Markham Portrait Lord Markham (Con)
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Yes. To reiterate, I think that we should always use “man” or “woman” as the primary descriptor. For people with English as a second language, “woman” is very understandable. We can then be inclusive by saying a “person with ovaries”, so that we are absolutely clear. My remit here is health, so I want to make sure that most people, especially if English is their second language, understand who we are referring to when we say “woman”.