National Insurance Contributions (Secondary Class 1 Contributions) Bill

Debate between Lord Blackwell and Lord Elliott of Mickle Fell

Report stage
Tuesday 25th February 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Blackwell (Con)]

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell, is a distinguished economist and I defer to his expertise, but I have to challenge him on the assertion that the measures in this Bill which raise national insurance are job creating. The Budget as a whole does not spend only the money raised through this tax; it spends another £40 billion a year, I believe—a total of £70 billion extra over each year of the course of the Parliament. Now, you have to assume that any measure that increases public spending by £70 billion a year will increase employment. It would be a strange measure that increased public expenditure without increasing employment. The difficulty is that all that employment increase will be in the public sector. The fact that this Government have to understand is that you have to earn wealth before you spend it and that compressing the wealth-creating part of the economy in order to spend on the public sector leads to financial disaster in the long run. So I do think his argument on that point needs to be challenged.

[Lord Elliott of Mickle Fell (Con)]

My Lords, I strongly support the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Londesborough, to protect small businesses with fewer than 25 employees from the increase in national insurance. Before I begin, I should declare my chairmanship of a small fintech company, as declared in the register.

I am particularly concerned about the impact of the national insurance rise on SMEs because they are the main vehicle for job creation. A 2022 report by the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation looked at the United States and found that, in 2019, companies in their first year created, on average, five jobs each, while companies older than that created, on average, just one new job every two years. A similar pattern can be found in the UK. Analysis by Santander of ONS data in 2018 showed that employment growth in SMEs was three times faster than in larger businesses in percentage terms.

The Government’s ambition in their Get Britain Working White Paper to increase the employment rate to 80% is laudable, and I very much support this objective as the president of the Jobs Foundation, again as declared in the register, but achieving this objective requires moving 2 million people from welfare into work. There are currently around 800,000 job vacancies in the economy, according to the ONS, so we need to create an additional 1.2 million jobs to achieve this target, and that will be very difficult with the employer NI rises. SMEs employ 16.6 million people in the economy, and small businesses, those which have between zero and 49 employees, provide 13 million jobs in the economy.

We should seize the national mission to get the employment rate back to pre-Covid levels. This target cannot be achieved if SMEs are not thriving. Therefore, I very much support the amendments to exempt smaller businesses from the increase in NI to enable them to fulfil their role as the biggest engine of job creation and, even more importantly, the biggest mechanism for poverty alleviation here in the UK.