Health and Social Care Bill

Debate between Lord Beecham and Lord Rea

Wednesday 29th February 2012 Lords Chamber

[Lord Rea]

My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Patel, for not being here when he spoke to his amendment and for wanting to ask the Minister a question that may already have been covered in the debate. It is on the relationship of directors of public health, who are going to be situated in local authorities, with the clinical commissioning groups, which are going to cover very much the same area—although we still do not know exactly what it is going to be. At the moment, directors of public health work closely with primary care trusts. I imagine they will be largely the same people who move to local authorities.

However, many of the activities of PCTs concern directors of public health. I am not sure that we have yet agreed on whether the local authority director of public health will have a seat on the board of the clinical commissioning groups in the same area. We still do not know whether they are going to be precisely contiguous and/or whether there will be several CCGs in one authority boundary. I would be grateful if the Minister could clarify the relationship between local authority directors of public health and the local CCGs.

[Lord Beecham]

My Lords, two shows in the West End have taken the theatre-loving population of London by storm in the past year. One of them was “Noises Off”, a farce that might be thought of as an apt metaphor for some of the relations on the government Benches; the other was “One Man, Two Guvnors”, which is perhaps relevant to the position of directors of public health. I am very glad, therefore, that the amendments proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Patel, and some of those which the noble Baroness will propose, reinforce the position and status of directors of public health. It is crucial that they are independent and are employed on conditions that are comparable to those of fellow clinicians in other parts of the health service. Therefore, the Opposition support the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Patel, particularly in relation to Clause 30 and disease control.

I perhaps have reservations about the requirement for the Secretary of State to consent to the dismissal of a director; it is right that it should be in the form of consultation. It would be a foolhardy authority that ignored the strong views expressed by the Secretary of State. Given the relationship between central and local government, it is right that it should be a question of consultation rather than consent.

I endorse the views of the noble Lord, Lord Turnberg, about the relationship with Public Health England, which is another example of that dual relationship which directors must have. I equally endorse the observations of the noble Lord, Lord Brooke, who seeks to ensure that the responsibilities cover the entire population, resident or working, of the appropriate area.

The Government have moved significantly on some of their amendments. We are on the right track. I hope that they will look sympathetically at the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Patel, and strengthen further that crucially independent role of the director, who should certainly be a chief officer of an authority and be accountable to the chief executive. It is an important safeguard, which I commend to the Government.

Health and Social Care Bill

Debate between Lord Beecham and Lord Rea

Monday 13th February 2012 Lords Chamber

[Lord Beecham]

My Lords, I will speak to the amendments in my name in this group. They are, in many ways, fairly straightforward.

Amendment 24 seeks to add a duty to promote public health as well as to protect and improve public health, as in the Bill as it stands. Promotion is a more positive term than simply protecting or improving public health. It implies a wider range of activities than simply dealing with public health issues and problems as they arise. I would have thought it added somewhat to the Government’s intentions—which we broadly commend, of course—in terms of the direction of public health and the further involvement of local government.

Amendment 25 simply amplifies the list of steps that the Secretary of State may take, in particular around research and training, to specify that he should use,

“the best scientific and other evidence available”,

with this key phrase,

“without regard to special interests”;

in other words, that they should look objectively and seek a wide range of resources to inform the making of public policy.

Amendments 26 and 28 substitute the word “must” for “may” in respect of some of the Secretary of State’s duties. Amendment 27 is perhaps one of the more important in this group, and refers to a duty on local authorities to improve the health of their populations and “to reduce health inequalities”.

In Committee, the Minister referred to the fact that the Secretary of State has that duty as part of his overall duty to provide health services, and that is certainly correct. However, there is no equivalent express duty on local authorities, nor could one be satisfactorily implied. Again, I pray in aid the views of the Health Select Committee, which pointed to:

“The lack of a statutory duty on local authorities to address health inequalities in discharging their public health functions”,

and called that,

“a serious omission in the Government’s plans”,

and recommended that the,

“Bill be amended to rectify this”.

The Government’s response referred to local authorities as “independent, democratic bodies” and said that a,

“ring-fenced public health grant”,

would be made available. At a later stage we will perhaps need to discuss the arrangements for such a grant, because there are concerns about it and about the health premium to which reference is also made in the Government’s response. The Government conclude that,

“these non-legislative levers will be at least as effective as any duty”.

Of course the Government refer to the provisions of the Equality Act, but that is not good enough. Surely it is important to have in the Bill an explicit duty on local authorities to promote health equalities and health improvement. I hope that the Minister will recognise on reflection that the Government will lose nothing by taking such a step. The Government would simply reinforce their intentions and put them in a framework that will send a clear signal to local government.

Amendment 28A, in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, seeks to require co-operation between local government, the Secretary of State and quite a list of providers of public health. The amendment is virtually the same as Amendment 28C in my name. There are perhaps one or two slight differences but nothing of any great moment in that respect. I am perfectly happy to defer to the noble Baroness when she moves her amendment.

Amendment 29 seeks to establish the topics of public health that should be included in matters to be addressed by local authorities. The intention, again, is to put in the Bill what may or may not be implicit in the prevailing arrangements. In Committee, the Minister indicated that he did not think that it was necessary to have these references. On the contrary, it is helpful to send a signal of what is expected not only to local government but to those who look to their local authorities to take steps to promote public health on the issues. The list in Amendment 29 includes:

“sexual health … obesity … nutrition … alcohol and substance abuse … air and water quality … adequate housing standards … fuel poverty … occupational health”.

Those are all important issues, most of which also involve inequalities of health. The provision looks very clearly to local government to take those items seriously and to promote advances on each. It is not a mandatory requirement and, of course, the situation will vary from place to place. However, it is a shopping list for local government, citizens and interested organisations to use in pressing that policies and resources be directed at these important areas of public policy. As the amendment makes clear, it is not a restrictive list.

Amendment 31 deals with another issue raised by the Health Select Committee, although it is a matter that we also discussed in Committee. Among the partners of a local authority for the purposes of public health provision, it is very important to include the district councils. In two-tier areas, district councils have a wide range of responsibilities around the environment, housing, food safety and so on, which clearly are integral to the public health service.

It is obviously necessary therefore for a principal authority in a two-tier area to co-operate with a district, but also, conversely, of course, for the district to co-operate with the principal authority. The amendment specifically calls for the relevant partners to co-operate with the local authorities and for it not to be just a one-way street. Again, that raises an expectation on the appropriate local authority and the opportunity for its residents to push for action, if required.

Amendment 32 calls for the Secretary of State to publish annual reports on the public health impacts of budget changes on duties to improve public health. That is a glancing reference to the fact that there is to be a new financial framework and it is important to see how that impinges on what local authorities actually do, and that of course includes district councils. Again, I should emphasise that the position of district councils is yet another matter on which the Health Select Committee was very clear in its recommendations:

“We are concerned that too little attention is paid in the Government’s plans to the role of lower-tier authorities”.

The Government are relaxed, shall we say, about doing anything very specific about that, although apparently they will be issuing draft guidance. It might be thought that that is not really adequate in all the circumstances and that explicit reference should be made to the requirement to involve district councils.

As I said in Committee and I repeat today, the Opposition are keen to support the Government’s approach to returning many public health responsibilities to local government, but it has to be done in a way that encompasses the broad range of issues that affect individuals and communities, and empowers and indeed requires local government that they should take action to meet their part in discharging those responsibilities. Accordingly, I beg to move.

[Lord Rea]

My Lords, I do not know if it is a slight slip on the part of those who drafted the Bill that the word “promotion” is not already in the clause. The coalition agreement on public health states:

“The Government believe that we need action to promote public health, and encourage behaviour change to help people live healthier lives … harnesses innovative techniques to help people take responsibility for their own health”.

That is a bit unfair on people because lifestyles are very much dependent on life chances. People who come from a rotten background may indulge in practices which are not particularly good for their health, but you cannot really ask them to change. We need to take into account a lot of the things which my noble friend Lord Beecham has just gone through because they are relevant to the practice of public health. The word “promotion” should definitely be included at the beginning of this clause.