Welfare Reforms and Poverty

Debate between David T C Davies and Michael Meacher

Monday 13th January 2014 Commons Chamber

[Mr Meacher]

I have already made slight reference to that, but my hon. Friend is entirely right. The change is quite small, but its impact can push very poor families into deep poverty.

What are the causes of the emergence of absolute poverty? The biggest cause is the huge rise in sanctioning: depriving someone of all their benefit entitlement for a month in the first instance, for three months in the second instance and, on a third infringement, for three years!

[David T. C. Davies (Monmouth) (Con)]

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

[Mr Meacher]

I will not give way to too many Members, for the simple reason that many want to speak, but I will give way to the hon. Gentleman.

[David T. C. Davies]

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. Does he not agree that it is vital that those who are not looking for work are made to realise that there will be consequences to those actions, particularly at a time when 1 million people have been able to come into this country from eastern Europe and find work here?

[Mr Meacher]

Those who come to this country are more likely to be employed and take out less in benefits than many of the indigenous population. The real point is that these people want work. Of course the hon. Gentleman is right that people should get work if they can, but there are 2.5 million people who have been unemployed for the best part of two years, and there are 562,000 vacancies—I checked that figure today. So four out of five of those who are unemployed simply cannot get a job whatever they do.