All 2 Debates between Baroness Williams of Trafford and Lord Leigh of Hurley

Brexit: Border Control

Debate between Baroness Williams of Trafford and Lord Leigh of Hurley
Monday 29th October 2018

(5 years, 6 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Leigh of Hurley Portrait Lord Leigh of Hurley (Con)
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My Lords, if we are to change the number of border officers, will the Minister consider changing the passenger survey method of counting immigration, which currently asks 0.6% of people arriving in this country whether they are tourists or immigrants? The answers are not verified, and the statistics produced do not tally with other statistics such as national insurance costs.

Baroness Williams of Trafford Portrait Baroness Williams of Trafford
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My noble friend is absolutely right to raise the issue of getting better and richer statistical data. For the last few years we have been introducing exit checks, which add to the picture of what our immigration and emigration system looks like.

Immigration

Debate between Baroness Williams of Trafford and Lord Leigh of Hurley
Monday 12th September 2016

(7 years, 7 months ago)

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Lord Leigh of Hurley Portrait Lord Leigh of Hurley
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To ask Her Majesty’s Government what steps they are taking to determine accurately immigration into the United Kingdom.

Baroness Williams of Trafford Portrait The Minister of State, Home Office (Baroness Williams of Trafford)
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My Lords, immigration figures are estimates produced by the Office for National Statistics based on the International Passenger Survey. These estimates have been assessed by the UK Statistics Authority as having national statistics designation, being accurate and reliable for measuring immigration to the UK. The ONS continues to take steps to refine the survey design and to publish information on how figures relate to other sources.

Lord Leigh of Hurley Portrait Lord Leigh of Hurley (Con)
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I thank my noble friend the Minister for that Answer. Indeed, the ONS does rely on the International Passenger Survey, which asks less than 0.7% of arrivals of their intentions, on a voluntary basis and with no verification. As the Minister knows, UK border officers are not allowed, under EU freedom of movement legislation, to ask arrivals whether they are immigrants or temporary visitors. Therefore, we have a situation where, over the past five years since July 2010, the ONS estimates for immigration are less than half of the national insurance numbers that have been issued to the same group. Does not the Minister agree that, given the events of the summer, the British public deserve better analysis and statistics?

Baroness Williams of Trafford Portrait Baroness Williams of Trafford
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My Lords, there are various sources of statistical information and all of them useful in the round. My noble friend talked specifically of the discrepancy between national insurance numbers and the ONS figures. That is due, in the main, to large numbers of short-term migrants who stay for less than 12 months. The official figures are based on the UN international standard definition of a long-term migrant: one who changes their country of residence for a year or more.