Mental Health Act

Debate between Baroness Pitkeathley and Lord Lloyd of Berwick

Monday 29th October 2012 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Pitkeathley]

My Lords—

[Lord Lloyd of Berwick]

My Lords, perhaps I may speak later. I thought that the Liberal Democrat Benches wished to speak.

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[Baroness Pitkeathley]

My Lords—

[Lord Lloyd of Berwick]

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, I would hope that the Minister could tell us a little more about how these irregularities came to light only last week. The problem, of course, is that there is a well known maxim of the law that the delegate of a power—that is to say the person to whom a power is delegated—cannot delegate it to another. I think that it is expressed in Latin as delegatus non potest delegare.

It is no doubt that maxim which has caused the lawyers to have had some doubt about the lawfulness of the detention in these cases. Indeed, it is perhaps surprising—again, the noble Lord might be able to give us some understanding about this—that these irregularities have not come to light before. Now that they have, I agree with the advice given by First Treasury Counsel that there is here a need for absolute clarity and that the best way to achieve that is by legislation. The whole point of it is that it should have retrospective effect. I end by congratulating the Government on reacting so quickly.

[Earl Howe]

I am extremely grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd. In front of me, I have a very detailed timeline of the events which have led to the current situation, starting from the early summer of this year when the doctor who was turned down for approval in Yorkshire and Humberside SHA challenged the decision. Subsequently, he dropped his appeal but the legal advice taken on his grounds for appeal highlighted the possibility that the arrangements for the panel convened by the Rotherham, Doncaster and South Humber NHS Foundation Trust to exercise this function were unlawful. From that point, questions were asked not only in that strategic health authority but in neighbouring strategic health authorities and the department was alerted a few days ago.

The noble and learned Lord rightly asked how this could ever have happened and not been picked up. We will rely on the review by Dr Harris to tell us the answer to that question, but I am grateful for his support.

Fixed-term Parliaments Bill

Debate between Baroness Pitkeathley and Lord Lloyd of Berwick

Monday 21st March 2011 Lords Chamber

[Lord Lloyd of Berwick]

I shall answer on the noble and learned Lord’s behalf. The evidence given to the Power commission was clearly in favour of more elections rather than fewer, not more than four years apart.

[The Deputy Chairman of Committees (Baroness Pitkeathley)]

My Lords, I remind you that the amendment is being withdrawn.