Education Bill

Baroness Massey of Darwen Excerpts

Wednesday 6th July 2011 Grand Committee

[Viscount Eccles]

My Lords, this might be a good opportunity to follow my noble friend, whom I think I first met 60 years ago. We are discussing best practice and experience, and it seems to me that the three amendments represent a lot of experience and best practice. However, I would be very doubtful as to whether any of the matters in the three amendments should be statutory or matters for the Secretary of State. If these matters cannot be dealt with within the education system itself, I do not think that they ever will be.

[Baroness Massey of Darwen]

My Lords, perhaps I may return to the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, who has called himself a novice but was extremely cogent. The amendment refers to the,

“duty to promote academic partnership”.

I wonder whether that is what the noble Lord really means. I know that there are partnerships of all kinds between schools. He mentioned some in music and sport. I am slightly worried about the word “academic”. I am not challenging him but I want to highlight it.

[Baroness Howe of Idlicote]

My Lords, like other noble Lords, I think that the aspiration behind these amendments is to be applauded. The hours that might or might not be available are more of a problem. Whether there should be some tinkering with the hours required must be a matter for more careful thought on Report. Certainly, I am intrigued by the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, and there is a lot to be said for it.

We have got quite a lot of flexibility in how academies will develop. Whether there is room for this in the new schools, I do not know. At one of the schools I was at, the Fleming report approach worked extraordinarily well. There was no question of other students knowing about it at all. Everyone was very much on a par and no one knew who was entering in that way and who was not.

My question for the Minister is: who is in charge and are they sufficiently qualified to teach those who are being educated in prisons—young offenders and so on? There is a great deal of young offender education, which I know the Government want to put on a much more comprehensive basis and for many more hours. Under those circumstances, it would be good to know whether any of these amendments might apply.

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[Baroness Garden of Frognal]

We will sort that out in the letter because that is certainly not the intention.

[Baroness Massey of Darwen]

Could the Minister also explain what the situation will be in so-called free schools where, as I understand it, people can teach without qualifications?

[Baroness Garden of Frognal]

They are independent schools, so the freedoms that have pertained for some time in the independent sector would apply to free schools.

[Baroness Massey of Darwen]

But the independent sector does not have unqualified teachers.

[Baroness Garden of Frognal]

They do not need NQT status in free schools or independent schools. That is not a change.