All 2 Debates between Baroness Lloyd of Effra and Lord Leigh of Hurley

Mon 17th Nov 2025
Employment Rights Bill
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Consideration of Commons amendments and / or reasons

Companies: Online AGMs

Debate between Baroness Lloyd of Effra and Lord Leigh of Hurley
Monday 23rd March 2026

(2 weeks, 3 days ago)

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Baroness Lloyd of Effra Portrait Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
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As the noble Lord mentioned, getting the right regulation and reducing the administrative costs is a priority for the Government and in many areas we have already taken action to do that; for example, we no longer require certain companies to produce a strategic report. We will continue to work through the sectors and across all companies on reducing those administrative costs.

Lord Leigh of Hurley Portrait Lord Leigh of Hurley (Con)
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To get back to the Question from the noble Lord, Lord Lee, who speaks as an investor, I speak as chairman of a public company and a senior partner of Cavendish plc. We welcome shareholders coming to our AGM. It is quite true that there are some shareholders who go from AGM to AGM with plastic bags, hoovering up the biscuits, but others have very valid points to make. I have been to the AGM of a company with which I disagreed vehemently on the action the directors were taking, and I was able to get my view across. If that meeting had been virtual, I would have been shut down by the PR.

Baroness Lloyd of Effra Portrait Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
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As I mentioned earlier, we are not mandating virtual AGMs and there will be nothing to stop companies continuing to hold hybrid AGMs. Through this consultation we are clarifying the legal grey area and providing certainty about the legitimacy of hybrid AGMs where certain shareholder safeguards are in place.

Employment Rights Bill

Debate between Baroness Lloyd of Effra and Lord Leigh of Hurley
Baroness Lloyd of Effra Portrait Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
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My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have contributed to the debate today. Let me start by recapping the reason for this measure.

There is a moral case to press ahead with ending exploitative zero-hour contracts. We aim to rebalance the scales so that all the risk associated with insecure work is not placed on workers. By our doing so, work will become more secure and predictable, saving workers in some of the most deprived areas up to £600 in lost income, strengthening the foundations that underpin a modern economy and increasing productivity, rather than the obverse.

On business engagement, we have indeed engaged with businesses and consulted them, both directly and through federations that represent a large number— hundreds and thousands—of small businesses. We will continue to do so as we implement all the measures in the Bill. We are committed to full and comprehensive consultation with businesses big and small and will arrange focus sessions with SMEs specifically to look at the practical implementation, understand any challenges and make sure that we give the right guidance.

I want to reflect on the point about business regulation and the 25% target. We have established a baseline for the administrative burden; the 25% target is about ensuring that regulation is proportionate and efficient and works for business. It is not about blocking regulation that is needed to deliver the Government’s priorities. We want to implement the Bill in a way that delivers the intent as efficiently as possible. For example, the fair work agency will consolidate the functions of the Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority, the Employment Agency Standards Inspectorate and the Director of Labour Market Enforcement into a single body, so we are reforming as we go ahead with all these measures, and we believe that, fundamentally, this is about balance.

The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, raised the issue of seasonality. Let me reassure noble Lords that the Government are fully conscious of the need to take account of fluctuations in seasonal demand, while ensuring that workers are not left holding all the risk. Under the Bill, there are several ways that an employer could approach seasonal demand while upholding the new rights, depending on circumstances. I set out some of those in my opening speech, but they could be limited-term contracts or guaranteed hours in various ways, such as an annualised hours contract. We think it is important to continue to consult on seasonality.

On growth, we have seen huge progress in foreign direct investment and trade agreements. We are very keen to continue to promote the economic prospects of the country, which is fundamental to improving the productivity of the labour market. In conclusion, I thank noble Lords for their contributions today and I look forward to further discussions on these issues.

Lord Leigh of Hurley Portrait Lord Leigh of Hurley (Con)
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Before the Minister sits down, she said that she had consulted representative bodies of industry and commerce, by which I assume she means the FSB, the IoD and the CBI. Can she give us a flavour of those conversations, and identify any organisation that has given wholehearted support to the Bill?

Baroness Lloyd of Effra Portrait Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
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Of course, we have had many discussions and there have been amendments during the passage of the Bill as a result of some of the consultation we have had with all social partners. We made amendments to the Bill on Report in respect of fire and rehire and the school support staff negotiating body—all sorts of changes or amendments have been made through the consultation process. We have also set out a clear plan for implementation, so that each milestone is there and there is a consultation before that, so that all businesses, large and small, can have the right amount of time to prepare and to get the guidance they need to implement these measures.