Financial Services and Markets Bill [HL]

Debate between Baroness Kramer and Baroness Young of Old Scone

Report stage
Wednesday 9th September 2026 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Young of Old Scone (Lab)]

My Lords, I welcome the Minister’s statement that he was committed to bringing forward amendments at Third Reading. I think it is relevant to this group of amendments. I simply want to draw the House’s attention to two sessions we have had in the last three or four days with the FCA. The Minister very kindly organised a session with the FCA about its role in climate and environment. To be honest, the kindest thing I can say is that I was underwhelmed. I think that it is doing a lot more than it displayed that day. The defensiveness that it demonstrated in front of a bunch of really friendly, helpful and not at all terrifying Baronesses, was a bit of worry to me, to be honest, because I felt there was real defensiveness and push-back against a responsibility. I thought perhaps we had just given it a hard time and it was having a bad day—but we had another session with it yesterday, organised by Peers for the Planet, and I was horrified.

I have the quote here because I wrote it down and then went home and wept. A fairly senior representative of the FCA said, in terms: “The FCA does not have a mandate to tell businesses what they should do on climate and the environment”. I would like the House to know that and the Minister to bear that in mind when he comes forward with his Third Reading amendments, because there is a real need for a stronger line in guidance than we might otherwise imagine.

[Baroness Kramer (LD)]

My Lords, fairly early on in Committee I said to the noble Lord, Lord Stockwood, who was then in charge of bringing the Bill through, that, when a common opinion was held by the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, and my noble friend Lady Bowles, he ought to listen. Those are the three real experts that we have in the House on markets, regulation and the financial services industry, and all of them set aside political ideology when they come forward with recommendations. They look to the common good and to good functioning, both for markets and for consumers. So I am very glad that on proportionality—which of all the issues was the most serious in the downgrading of principles, quite frankly—that the Minister is now amending that.

I am also appreciative that there is going to be movement on climate change because, as colleagues have said, this is a crisis that is on our doorstep. We have no choice but to act, and it means we need to focus all our strengths on dealing with that crisis. I am very conscious of the impact of financial stability and how it crept up on us, because we only looked at it through a very narrow lens instead of looking across the piece and recognising how holistic and interconnected so many issues are.

I have Amendment 67 in this group. I have to confess that it is an odd place for this amendment, and I shall deal with it briefly. Amendment 67 arose because a number of banks have been refusing to take small businesses and SMEs generally in the defence industry as their customers, usually because they are concerned about reputational risk. That has made it very difficult for those SMEs to raise credit, and it is seriously undermining the UK’s plans to build up its defence forces, which I think we all agree is not acceptable. Some Members may not be aware that the most innovative defence firms are SMEs. It is not just about the big players—the SMEs are critical, particularly at a time when so much is changing in the strategic and defence sector. These small SMEs already face high regulatory hurdles, and they often face slow procurement processes when they work with the Ministry of Defence. The absolutely killer blow is then not to be able to finance the projects, no matter the quality of the contract that they have.

The FCA has said its rules present no obstacle to lending to SMEs and considers that to be a green light, but that is not having very much impact. My amendment essentially attempts to put some welly behind the FCA in dealing with these issues. It would require it to conduct and publish a review at least once every three years, including identifying any barriers. I would have thought that a report like that might get the Government going as well. I know that the Government are aware of the problem, but I emphasise that knowing about it is not enough; they actually need to act and change minds.