National Insurance Contributions (Secondary Class 1 Contributions) Bill

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie Excerpts

Report stage
Tuesday 25th February 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Macpherson of Earl’s Court (CB)]

Many apologies to the noble Baroness; I stand corrected. The cut in employee national insurance was considerable. Looking at the macro effects of employee and employer national insurance on the labour market, I regard the changes that have taken place as broadly neutral across the board.

[Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie (Con)]

My Lords, I am not an economist, but I run a small Scottish charity that provides health services. I want to come back on some of the points raised.

I wish the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell, the noble Viscount, Lord Chandos, and even the noble Lord, Lord Macpherson, had had the recess that I have just had—looking at our employees, some of whom have been with us for over 20 years and are highly trained clinical specialists, and telling them that their roles are under threat of redundancy. As I said at an earlier stage of this Bill, I have not been able to participate in it as much as I would have wished because of its effects on my organisation, which are that people will lose their jobs and organisations will lose skill. Those are very difficult things to build up again.

Like the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace, I have been in touch with the Coalition of Care and Support Providers in Scotland. I am slightly concerned that these amendments do not cover health and social care services in Scotland. If he is to bring back an amendment at Third Reading, I will happily work with him on it.

I would love a simpler tax regime and would absolutely support it. The way to have one is not to have this national insurance increase—that would be very simple. The lists covered by these amendments are all of organisations that support public services and the public sector. These are services that many government agencies are required to provide by law, yet they are farmed out to organisations such as ours, as well as to CrossReach, Ark and others.

Frustratingly, this demonstrates a huge lack of understanding by this Government of how these measures will affect vulnerable people—the people who these organisations support. My organisation, Cerebral Palsy Scotland, is a regulated, registered charity, so we cannot put up prices. Our raison d’être is to make our services available to the most vulnerable who cannot pay for them, and so we cannot put up our prices. Yes, we may have benefitted last year from paying slightly less employers’ or employee national insurance, but all our providers—the people who clean our centres, help us with IT, empty our sanitary bins, and things like that—employ people and they are all putting up their costs. Our costs are rising, our national insurance is rising, and because of the minimum wage increases at the same time, it is becoming more and more expensive for us to employ people. The only thing we can therefore do is to cut our cloth and employ fewer people.

I do not understand these measures. I support having lists of different sectors, because these are the sectors that are delivering support that gives people choice, quality of life and control over their lives, and that support the NHS and the social care sector, which would otherwise be stuck. This is a measure that will not save public services, as the Minister has told us it has been put in place to do, but that will, I am afraid, crush them.

[Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon (Con)]

My Lords, briefly, I support the amendment so ably tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Barker. I pay tribute to her for her attentive nature during Committee. I say to the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell, that the fact there is this extensive list demonstrates once again the lack of an impact assessment, on which I implored the Minister in Committee.

I was a Minister for over 12 years. One thing you learn as a Minister is that, when taking a Bill through, you must consult with and speak to the sectors—you must talk to them and understand their challenges and then address those issues. Unfortunately, that had not been done. Take adult social care, where the impact is close to £1 billion. We may hear from the Minister that this has been addressed in the Budget, but it has not. The Nuffield Trust has said as much: the actual measures put forward in the Budget will be dwarfed by these contributions, and that is just in adult social care. Talk to community pharmacies and they will make a desperate plea, akin to what we have just heard from my noble friend, and say that they will have to shut. Why? Because they cannot afford to keep their employees.

Even at this late stage, I implore the Minister to listen, connect and communicate, and, I hope, to take on board some of the challenges and important concerns being put across in this House on behalf of the many different community services that will so desperately be impacted by these national insurance increases.

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[Baroness Sater (Con)]

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 9, to which I have added my name, and to Amendment 4. I declare my interest as set out in the register and as a trustee of the Dartington Hall Trust.

My contribution today will be short, as so much as already been said during the passage of the Bill. We have heard many passionate statements today. I have already spoken of my concern about the impact of the increases in national insurance contributions on the future of the charity sector and its ability to continue to deliver much-needed services and support. Along with many others, I believe that we have put forward compelling and passionate reasons why the charitable sector should not be subject to the Government’s national insurance contribution increases.

At both previous stages of the Bill, I have respectfully asked for the impact assessment of this tax on the sector. The Minister and his Government have not, to date, reconsidered their position or produced the impact assessment, which other noble Lords have again asked for today. It seems extraordinarily unfair that the Government indirectly exempt the public sector but decline to exempt or reimburse the charity sector. I cannot understand it.

At the risk of repetition, let me say that the National Council for Voluntary Organisations estimates that the increased cost of this tax to the sector is £1.4 billion. It has raised its concerns to the Treasury. Together with the Association of Chief Executives of Voluntary Organisations and the Charity Finance Group, they perfectly summed up this situation when they wrote that

“the knock-on impact it will have on individuals, communities and local economies who rely on us will be devastating”.

Those are voices from the sector, who represent so many charities across the country.

I am sure that the Minister has heard many calls for help himself from across the charity sector. I hope that he recognises that this tax will have a long-lasting impact on the sector’s ability to deliver many of the vital services on which government and so many others rely. Let me put to your Lordships this: if a charity approached you for support for a good cause, I have little doubt that you would be generous to the extent that you could afford; if the same charity asked you for a donation not to do good works but so that it could pay the increased taxes to the Government, I suspect that you and I would not feel inclined to put our hand in our pockets. The charity sector should not be a cash cow for the Government.

Sadly, unless the Government reconsider this tax on our charities, they will greatly diminish, and the majority will need, at best, to shrink the number of people they employ and the services they provide. In the worst scenarios, charities will close. We have already heard from charities, including from my noble friend Lady Fraser, of staff reductions, redundancies and potential closures. Fundraising and costs management is difficult enough for charities; the future of the sector is looking very bleak. Many of them help the most vulnerable in society, do wonderful work across many other areas—I will not list them today—and are the backbone of our civil society. I hope that the Minister will reconsider his position and listen to what is said today.

[Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie (Con)]

My Lords, I rise to thank my colleagues. As the chief executive of a charity, I know that the sector is watching and listening to what we are doing here and urging us on to do everything we can to mitigate this disastrous policy.

The noble Lord, Lord Bruce of Bennachie, mentioned Scotland. In an earlier debate, it became apparent that the drafting of some of the amendments perhaps did not cover Scotland. Any charity in Scotland of any size has to be registered by the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator and I would want to be reassured that exemptions covered the entire sector. It amounts to 5% of Scotland’s workforce, and with an increasing number of redundancies and the struggle to recruit volunteers, the workforce is already under strain and potentially limited in its capacity to deliver services.

The Minister spoke earlier about the Government’s increased funding to various sectors, some of which are covered by the charity sector. However, he did not outline how that might help those not in receipt of public sector funding but who are delivering services which support public sector delivery.

Finally, as chief executive of Cerebral Palsy Scotland, SEND transport is an issue firmly in my bag. We already know that the SEND system is under immense strain. We already know of children who cannot go to the school it has been assessed they should attend because of transport issues. This is very complex: transport is provided mostly by private providers. There is already a limited choice of schools. Many children need specialist vehicles to get from A to B. As the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, said, many firms will be forced to hand back contracts.

I look forward with interest to the Minister’s response to these challenges.

[Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Con)]

Amendment 3 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Kramer, seeks to establish a relief for early years settings, universities, charities and small businesses. These are all important sectors; they will be hit hard by the Government’s jobs tax, so we agree with the sentiments that she expressed. However, we have concerns about the financial implication of relief for all these sectors in one amendment. We are instead promoting some modest and separate amendments, which I am afraid makes for a big group.

Amendments 4, 14, 21 and 28 in my name would exempt charities with an annual revenue of less than £1 million from the increase in employer national insurance contributions. My noble friend Lord Leigh spoke persuasively in favour of this proposal, following the pre-emption of his own amendments. My Amendment 35 proposes an increased level of employment allowance for charities.

Noble Lords across the House have been contacted by many charities which are facing tough financial decisions. We have had many worrying examples throughout the stages of this Bill. My noble friends Lady Sater and Lady Fraser made the case for action strongly. My latest example was L’Arche in the UK, which brings together people with and without learning disabilities in life-sharing communities. Again, they are facing hugely steep rises in employment costs. The most vulnerable people in our society will pay the price for Ministers’ misguided Budget decisions.

Amendment 5 seeks to protect children with special educational needs or disabilities. I know that the Licensed Private Hire Car Association SEND transport operators group has written to many noble Lords highlighting the issues that families who rely on these services are facing. It estimates that the associated local funding shortfall in the next tax year, 2025-26, in respect of the services it contracts out to private providers, will be £40 million. That is a relatively small number compared with the overall revenue expected from the jobs tax— £23 billion to £26 billion, depending on the year—but the impact on vulnerable children is wildly disproportionate to that revenue. Like my noble friend Lady Fraser, we feel very strongly that these vital services should be protected. Like the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, we prefer our formulation on SEND.

Finally, my Amendment 33 addresses early years provision by seeking to increase the employment allowance for early years providers. In government, we took strong action to support the early years sector, while expanding the free childcare offer to all children under five in England last year. The Government are right to adopt our expansion plan in full. We are grateful for that. However, some providers are worried that they will not be able to access the employment allowance because of the public work they do. It would be good if the Minister could look at that again. We are seeing very big cost increases in early years provision, which is extremely worrying.

In conclusion, the Official Opposition feel that the Government must change their approach. We are not satisfied by the Minister’s responses so far and our current intention is to divide on Amendments 4, 5 and 33.

National Insurance Contributions (Secondary Class 1 Contributions) Bill

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie Excerpts

Committee stage
Tuesday 4th February 2025 Grand Committee

[Lord Leigh of Hurley (Con)]

My Lords, I rise to support these amendments. It occurs to me—I would be interested to know whether it is true—that this must be the first series of amendments where the three signatories have all been directors of FTSE 100 companies. That must tell us something. I think it is the first time, but I will be happy to be proven wrong.

It is a great pleasure to speak after one of my role models—she does not know it, but it is true—my noble friend Lady Noakes, as well as my noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe and, particularly, my noble friend Lord Wolfson of Apsley Guise, who is widely regarded as one of the leading businessmen of his generation. I say that because he is from a younger generation than me, perhaps. He has an outstanding business career that has created thousands of jobs and tremendous value for shareholders. Thankfully, he still has time to contribute to your Lordships’ House and other communal activities, so when he speaks I think we should listen carefully. He is right to say that there is some truth that more expensive labour leads to greater productivity, mainly because productivity is measured as output per hour so, by definition, productivity improves, but it is not necessarily a good thing in and of itself. He mentioned the food sector. Certainly, in the hospitality sector I know of companies that are just closing down. This increase has led them to say that they are going to give it up, which cannot be what the Government want.

On 6 January, Next reported anaemic growth as the result of the tax measures. On the very same day, S&P Global’s Purchasing Managers’ Index came out and said that nearly 25% of British businesses reduced their workforce following the Budget specifically. The index indicated that the private sector has experienced its weakest growth in 14 months, with firms shedding jobs at the fastest pace in more than 15 years, other than during the pandemic. HMRC released its payroll data on 21 January. Employees in the UK declined by 47,000 to 30.3 million in December alone, the biggest drop since November 2020, which again was pandemic-related. As my noble friend Lord Wolfson mentioned, Sainsbury’s came out on 23 January with cuts to head office of 3,000 and an ambition to reduce senior management roles by 20%. Recently, on 27 January, the Confederation of British Industry reported that private sector firms expect a significant decline in activity over the next three months with a weighted balance of 22% negative. It said that this pessimism is widespread across sectors including services, distribution and manufacturing. The downturn was mainly due to the Budget.

With the assistance of someone who is much smarter than me on spreadsheets, I have tried to calculate the effect of all this. Although I am an economist by background, this is not a specialist area for me, so I would be extremely grateful if the Minister would ask the Treasury to comment on the numbers that I am going to give him. I think that they are right, but I would be more than happy to be challenged if they are not.

My premise is that the average UK earnings per full-time employee is £33,280. The number of full-time equivalents in the UK is bang on 30 million. If you increase the existing employers’ NI rate of 13.8% to 15% and reduce the existing NI threshold of £9,100 to £5,000, you get an increase in total NI take from £100 billion to £127.2 billion, giving you a total employers’ NI increase of £27.2 billion—or, to be precise, £27.154 billion—which is the sum that the Chancellor seeks. Fair enough. But, given all that we have heard today, what happens if employment reduces? You can put in any variable you like. I have taken what I regard to be a most reasonable suggestion of 3%. Let us say that, as a result of this, there is a 3% reduction in employment. Personally, I think it would be much more, but let us say 3%. At that point, the number of UK full-time equivalents becomes 29.1 million. The employers’ NI take goes to £123 billion, which is a reduction of £3.8 billion. But, at the same time, there is universal credit for those redundant full-time equivalents of £20,000 a head, which costs the Treasury £18 billion. If you add the loss of that universal credit to the reduction in NI take that I have just mentioned, you get a net loss of—guess what—bang on £27.05 billion. So, the 3% reduction in employment that I reckon will happen leads to absolutely no gain to the Treasury whatever.

I present those figures because I would like to be challenged on them and proven wrong, but I do not think that I am. Along with the signatories to the amendment, I hope that the Government will take this opportunity to reflect carefully, in the spirit of co-operation, as to whether it is wise to bring this measure in so harshly, so quickly.

[Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie (Con)]

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee that this is my first intervention on the Bill. I am not a FTSE 100 director, nor am I the chief executive of a great company like Next. I am the chief executive of a small charity in Scotland and the reason why I have not been able to participate on this Bill is that we are going through a consultation process to reduce our employee numbers at this very moment as a direct result of the cliff edge and shock to us of the increases in national insurance.

I rise merely to say that everything that my noble friends Lady Noakes, Lord Wolfson and Lord Leigh have just said is my daily life at the moment. While businesses can potentially put up their prices, charities cannot. What also concerns me is that because this cliff edge, which is what these amendments are trying to smooth out, is happening at the same time as the rise in national minimum wage, we are facing a double whammy in trying to make our books balance.

What finally concerns me is that this will lead not only to a reduction in the number of those in employment but to a reduction of skills in these organisations. These things cannot easily be built up again, should the situation change. Give us time to implement and do the things that we need to do. I urge the Minister to listen to my colleagues and do all that he can to soften this terrible blow.

[Baroness Kramer (LD)]

My Lords, we on these Benches are not in the same place as those on the Conservative Benches in taking the position outlined by the noble Lord, Lord Swire, to seek a delay before these measures are introduced. We are opposed to their introduction. We supported a regret Motion at Second Reading and those on the Committee who were present in the first two days will know that we moved a series of amendments essentially to halt the increase in employers’ NICs, and the related changes, in its tracks. In the case of part-timers, we went beyond that and sought to have employers’ NICs halved from their current level because of the importance of dealing with disadvantaged people, the hospitality industry and other reasons. In the first two days of Committee, I and my colleagues talked extensively and made our substantive and detailed arguments. I know that the Committee will not want to hear me repeat all those, so I merely say that we stand our ground.

Social Cohesion and Community during Periods of Change

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie Excerpts

Friday 6th December 2024 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie (Con)]

I thank the most reverend Primate for his very moving opening to the debate, and I congratulate my new noble friend Lord Sharma on his quite excellent maiden speech. We are extremely lucky to have him on our Benches and I welcome him as a Member of this House.

You do not need to be a member of the International Relations and Defence Committee of your Lordships’ House, as I have the privilege to be, to appreciate how much change and global uncertainty we face. In our committee’s report, Ukraine: a Wake-up Call, we looked at lessons the UK should learn from the war in Ukraine, where social cohesion and cohesion of purpose have played a central role in all stages of the Russian invasion, showcasing them as essential components of defence.

Yet, here in the UK, defence has become something other people do; it is delivered by our Armed Forces, with the action usually taking place in some remote foreign field. This detachment and lack of understanding of what defence really means is becoming apparent in the debate around defence spending. No Government of any colour, it seems, are concerned about announcing increasing spending for the NHS, but the debate about why, how and when we might want to increase our percentage spend on defence is hampered by procrastination and vague promises.

Given that Russian forces have continuously targeted critical national infrastructure in Ukraine, and that here in the UK we experience numerous cyberattacks from malicious actors—only this week the National Cyber Security Centre highlighted the gap between the risks we face and our ability to mitigate them—is it time that we looked to the Scandinavian “all of society” approach, where we ask for more collective preparedness? Both Sweden and Latvia have recently released booklets with information about how civilians should react in a crisis or conflict situation. The Czech Republic has launched grey-zone exercises for the private sector. Germany has a long-standing tradition of social resilience, predominantly through its Technisches Hilfswerk—THW—a federal agency that provides training in disaster relief and boasts thousands of volunteers who provide rapid and efficient technical relief in emergencies anywhere in Germany and often across Europe. These solutions are as relevant in a crisis caused by extreme weather events as they are in a public-health emergency or a conflict.

In preparation for today’s debate, I came across the UK’s equivalent, the website prepare.campaign.gov.uk. I consider myself an interested and relatively well-informed citizen in this space, yet I had no idea before now that this existed. Can the Minister tell us whether they are any plans to develop the Prepare campaign and to raise its public profile? Does he know how many unique visits the website has had to date? He might have to write to me on that.

My experience in the healthcare and disability sectors have illustrated that there are too many areas where our society is not cohesive or well prepared. The right reverend Prelate the Bishop of London referred to the Covid inquiry module 1 report, which concluded that emergency pandemic planning

“generally failed to account sufficiently for the pre-existing health and societal inequalities and deprivation in society”,

and that there was a

“failure to engage appropriately with those who know their communities best, such as local authorities, the voluntary sector and community groups”.

Essentially, our pandemic plans were made by fit and healthy individuals who failed those with pre-existing health issues because of a lack of understanding of what services were essential to them. In my organisation, Cerebral Palsy Scotland, I see such a lack of understanding filter through everyday life, not just emergency planning. Our charity’s mission is therefore to build a stronger, more supportive community for our beneficiaries.

The noble Baroness, Lady Morgan of Drefelin, referred to the NCVO briefing. As it says, charity resilience and community resilience go hand in hand. Local charities in particular, as the noble Baroness said, have deep roots in our communities. Yet these organisations, of which mine is but one, which are delivering essential services that the state cannot provide, are feeling threatened like never before thanks to the increased costs of employment, together with reduced funding opportunities. This will affect beneficiaries as well as public services.

The sector is facing a perfect storm and, as I have said before, I am deeply concerned. We face a situation in which organisations are closing due to cash flow, not because of their effectiveness or their impact. The charity sector is in crisis. If they are not shutting, they are cutting.

Social cohesion and strong, supportive community life are indeed essential, but too often there is a sense of “them” and “us”. This Government, I am afraid to say, seem to think that all things public sector are good, and that those of us in the private, charity or any other sector can just be squeezed a bit more to pay for it. This is unsustainable and short-sighted during challenging times.

Instead, I suggest that strengthening and protecting the UK’s national resilience and its critical national infrastructure is the responsibility of us all. It cannot be left just to government, the public sector or the military. We need a collective understanding of the risks and a collective effort to mitigate them. Only then, I believe, will we strengthen our community life and foster greater social cohesion.