National Minimum Wage (Amendment) Regulations 2026

Debate between Baroness Carberry of Muswell Hill and Lord Sharpe of Epsom

Tuesday 17th March 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Con)]

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his response. I was not expecting Confucius, but of course I defer to that ancient wisdom.

I listened very carefully to what was said, in particular by the noble Baroness, Lady Carberry of Muswell Hill. I think she said—she will correct me if I am wrong—that the Low Pay Commission found it difficult to separate the various cost pressures affecting the hospitality industry particularly, including the effects of higher or rising pay. I would argue, therefore, that that is not particularly evidence-based. It would seem slightly reckless to make that recommendation if you cannot determine the causes of the headwinds—but I will park that for the time being.

[Baroness Carberry of Muswell Hill (Lab)]

Perhaps I could recommend to the noble Lord that he takes time to read the Low Pay Commission’s report, which sets out its reasoning in full, and the evidence base it is drawing on. I may have made that point clumsily. I certainly did not mean to disparage the Low Pay Commission. I was trying to convey its sense that it could not find evidence to attribute any negative effects on the labour market for young people specifically to the national living wage as applied in the rates for those young people. It was trying to make an assessment of the extent to which the minimum wage rates were the cause of any detrimental effects on the labour market and could not find that it was the low pay rates which had that negative effect. The reasoning is set out in great detail in that report.

[Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Con)]

I thank the noble Baroness for that clarification. I will definitely make a point of reading that and perhaps return to it, depending on what I see.

I say to the noble Lord, Lord Hannett of Everton, who made some very good points, that the camel’s back is already broken when it comes to youth unemployment. It is at 16.1%—a point I made in my earlier remarks. That is higher than the EU average, which is a pretty woeful state of affairs. In answer to the noble Lord’s question, unemployment is at 5.2% now, but, as we also heard and as I reminded the House, the OBR has forecast that it will rise to 7%.

I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett of Manor Castle, for her remarks. I would also point her in the direction of the Resolution Foundation, which has a direct line into the Treasury; it was not just the Tony Blair Institute. For the time being, I rest my case on Green economics.

It is always a pleasure to hear from the noble Lord, Lord Sikka. I think his argument was, “If you agree with me politically, you have empathy; if you don’t, you haven’t”. In which case, I would argue that it is empathetic to try to keep people in jobs rather than price them out. That is empathy. I beg leave to withdraw my amendment.